us less safe." a former nine-term member of congress. thank you for joining us. all right. stick around. if you live in ohio and you get vaccinated, you could become a millionaire. it's part of governor mike dewine's million dollar lottery. so far it's boosted ohio's vaccination rate by a ton. i will talk to the ohio governor about that. another hour of velshi starts right now. all right. it's sunday, may 30th. we begin this hour with the anti-american dissent of the republican party from what was once the proud party of abraham lincoln to being in the throws of donald trump and the big election lie. these 35 senate republicans or, to quote former rnc chairman

michael steel, these 35 pathetic parties continue to put party ahead of country and blocked a 1/6 commission which would investigation the insurrection and the attack on the united states capital. they continue to play politics openly admitting they view the commission damaging to their party and an bstacle to republican goals. even though the real commission is to find out the truth of what happened on january 6th and to investigate, identify and combat one of the biggest threats there is against american democracy, grievance-based violence and domestic terror, the tough that fueled that attack. and there remains a dire need to actually know the truth about that. a new yahoo! poll shows that 23% of republicans blame donald trump for the events of january 6th. more than half, 52% say he's not at all to blame.

and a whopping 73% of republicans pin some or a great deal of responsibility on left wing protesters trying to make trump look bad. left wing protesters trying to make trump look badment let that sink in. remember that the january 6th attack on the capital, what you are seeing on your screen was undertaken by pro-trump loyalists and domestic terrorist groups. there is zero evidence of any left wing protesters taking part in the january 6th attack on the capital in any way whatsoever. tell your friends that who tell you there were left wingers and blm and antifa involved. there were none. lawyers for at least three defendants charged in connection with the violent siege tell the associated press they would blame conspiracy theories, much of it pushed by -- i hope you're sitting down for this shocker -- former president trump himself

for misleading their clients. one of these clients tells the ap, i kind of sound like an idiot now for saying it, but my faith was in him. yes, you kind of sound like an idiot. meanwhile, the arrests continue, including a connecticut man seen inside the capital wearing a helmet called rodbusters on it which is the company he works at with his wife. assaulting officers and using a chemistry spray, he was heard yelling, quote, you are protecting communists. and there is a second amendment behind us. what are you going to do then? that remains the question. now that the gop prevented an independent investigation from coming to light, how can the country learn from history and prevent another january 6th from happening? joining me now assistant whip in the house and a member of the intelligence and overnight

committees. congressman, good to see you. you heard my conversation with jane. we have people who believe there were left wing protesters there. and somehow not a single left wing protestor has been arrested. not a single blm person has been arrested. but clearly there is a lot of misinformation out there of which one of these commissions could deal with. >> that's exactly right, ali. you know, you said that 73% of republicans think that left wing protesters inspired this insurrection. but, of course, the vast majority of americans actually believe the opposite, that it was actually donald trump who had something to do with inspiring these insurrectionists. i think at the end of the day, this january 6th commission is meant to get at the truth. and, again, an article said

almost 60% of americans want congress to get at the truth. and, so, when the gop voted against this commission, they did as mitt romney said last night, which is they're giving the concession that they don't want to know the truth, and that's a big problem. >> so a number of people have suggested this is just impeachment, too. this is just another way to blame donald trump. even people who don't like donald trump are saying, what do you get out of this? you talked about the actual questions that really need to be addressed like in 9/11, right? i know there are some people that don't like the comparison. but the bottom line is both of them were spurred by terrorists. and there are things we need to know about the response to them by authorities, by the national guard, by the department of defense and who these terrorist groups are, who they're funded by. >> that's exactly right, ali. there are at least two or three very important questions that remain unanswered. one is, you know, basically the

mayor of washington, d.c. called urgently for military assistance to the department of defense at roughly 1:34 p.m. on january 6th. they took almost four hours for the military to actually arrive. donald trump says he actually called the military to come and help. of course the acting secretary of defense and others say they never spoke with him, so that's one question. a second question is did domestic violent extremist groups coordinate in planning this attack? and did they coordinate with any members of congress? one organizer of the stop the steal rally actually said that he quote, unquote, schemed up this particular rally and actions with three members of congress. we still haven't gotten to the bottom of that. and of course the third and most important question is how do we prevent this from happening again? this was an effort to overturn the democratic process.

and we stared into the abyss that day, ali. we almost gave into mob rule. thankfully we were able to certify the election. but we were this close to the opposite happening. >> congressman, thanks as always for joining us. democratic congressman of illinois. joining me now is lieutenant general russell honore. first off, on this sunday, on memorial day weekend, we have known each other for many, many years but we can never remember to thank you and your brothers and sisters in uniform for your service to our country. >> ali, this is a very special weekend to all our military families around the world and because this is to remember those who gave all, those who died while in service. so we remember.

for most people it is the start of summer vacation and pools opening, but those who know, we remember because it is the celebration of those who died serving their country. >> general, a number of people said you did the study of the security and the security lapses and the things that need to be the done and the staffing lapses at the u.s. capital and that's the thing that will keep us safe in the future, so we're done. but you did what you were asked to do and you were able to make recommendations, some of which have not been carried out yet. but fundamentally the underlying issues around how that insurrection came to be and who motivated it and who paid for it, that's a bigger job than one guy can do. >> absolutely, sir. we need the commission or some type of commission because we got to figure out how this happened. how this rag tag rebel group just comes to inside yard of the

most powerful police force in the world, fdi, the thousands of secret service agents in their yard, attacked the capital, get into the capital under the shadows of the department of defense. the government didn't work that day. and that's why we need to have this investigation. how did that happen? how did the right intelligence not get to the right people? and we knew the capital police did the best they could. but they've got a lot of things to do inside the capital. this should not have happened in the backyard of the fbi, the secret service, the department of homeland security and in the shadows of the pentagon. there is no way in hell this should have happened and that's why we need to have this investigation out. >> in the absence of that, we had brian sicknick's mother and

life partner going and knocking on the doors of senators asking them to do justice for the american capital police. you have called to harden the capital to increase capital security funding, increaing the numbers of capitol hill police and in fact there are fewer now than when you actually did the report. you are also calling for the establishment of a quick reaction force so that when and if something like this happens we don't go through that hours and hours of people on the phone, calling people who are not connecting to other people to get something done on the ground. >> that's exactly right. there are members who have seen the requirements for a swift reaction force who said we don't need that. we don't want to militarize the response. guess what? after 9/11, we had 250 national guards nationed at the capital for two years. two years, ali. but they don't want to do that now. we also have a national guard

and defense batteries put in d.c. after 9/11 and over 600 marines on standby not far from the capital. so the military is already involved. our mission, our oath is to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, and we have to be able to figure out how we will handle this domestic threat first with law enforcement. but whatever it takes we have to beat down this domestic threat that come into the capital, break in. we need to change the rules for the capital police. there is no way in hell people should be able to walk in there with sticks and almost take our democracy down. we need to be able to use other means to be able to do that. >> general, thanks as always for your continuing service for this country. and we remember your message as everybody gets out there and has picnics and starts grilling their burgers today. remember what this day is about.

remember those who dies in service of the american public. led the security review of the capital following the january 6th insurrection. turning now to horrific breaking news out of miami-dade county, florida, where there has been a second mass shooting. two people are dead. more than 20 wounded after three gunmen opened dire indiscriminately into a crowd. the miami herald reports the suspects were armed with assault rifles and handguns. they escaped the scene and remain at large. in addition to another mass shooting, this latest act of gun violence comes days after wednesday's mass shooting in san jose, california. as you can see, the white house's flag is still at half-staff in honor of those victims. let's go to sam brock in miami-dade county. what's going on there and what's developed? >> ali, good morning. right now investigators over my shoulder tracing the scene behind me. they have been lifting up the

crime scenes. you can see from here and going inside of a banquet hall right there where somewhere between 12:00 and 1:00 in the morning an suv pulled up with three people who got out armed with assault rifles and handguns and fired indiscriminately. where i am standing in northwest miami-dade county, it is one of the mill shopping center. you have a nail salon, barbershop, restaurants. it feels very normal and that banquet hall where this happened. the director of miami police described this as cold-blooded murder. they are out to try to find the three individuals responsible and are praying for some peace and resolution for the families. it will be very difficult, as you mentioned. 20 people were injured. 2 others were skilled. 1 in critical condition right now. and a father overnight at the trauma center here in miami at jackson, 15, 20 minutes from where i am said he is a trauma nurse and a 15-year veteran of the marine corps. he described this, ali as the

war at home. when asked how he was feeling when he received that phone call last night, he said i was just hoping that it wasn't one of mine and it was one of mine. his 19-year-old daughter was in surgery last night. her condition unknown. so many parents dealing with a shattered reality that you can't allow your kids to go out at night because something like this could happen. it is described as targeted by police. there are three individuals involved. they are going through the entirety of this shopping center, all the way down to where there is a child care center continue tigous with the banquet hall. we have not been given a time frame on where the investigation stands. three people at large. countless families once again mourning. ali, back to you. >> continues to rip one's heart out. sam, thanks very much. sam brock is live in miami-dade county, florida for us. violent crimes and mass shootings like this are part of the reason major cities are

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after george floyd was killed by a minneapolis police officer, city officials across the nation listened to the rallying cries and begun defunding police. a year later, some cities are refunding their police department after a rise in violent crime. we saw a mass shooting overnight in maim did county that killed two people. last year mayor bill deblasio cut half of that. the mayor is proposing a $27 million increase. and los angeles is considering an increase of about $50 million after slashing $150 million from the lapd last year.

the reversals come as murder rates in the country's biggest cities skyrocket. in the last three months in 2020, homicides rose 32.2% in cities with a population of at least a million according to the fbi's quarterly uniform crime report. police reform activists are not happy about cities reversing course. but if you want to reform the justice system, you have to spend money. take baltimore, for example i.'s under the scrutiny of the justice department after the 2017 death of freddie gray. a black man who died of a broken neck sustained while in police custody. one of the reasons baltimore's mayor had to walk back his promise to defund the police. it is a vicious cycle. one act of terrible and deadly policing four years ago is preventing steps toward change. no one claimed to have all the answers, but something has to give. nearly 1,000 people have died at

the hands of police in the last year. and the uptick in gun violence needs to stop, too. one oakland man said his neighborhood doesn't need fewer police. it just needs better ones. ohio has seen a 45% increase in vaccinations since governor mike dewine rolled out an incentive, $1 million. but some of his republican colleagues are taking him to task over it. i will talk to the governor next. electrify you. they grow from our imagination, but they can't be held back. they want to be set free. to make the world more responsible, and even more incredible. ideas start the future, just like that. ♪♪ ♪♪

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ohio has reached a positive milestone on the road to covid recovery. the state's 21 day average is below 1,000. ohio's vaccination rate got a boost, too. the state rolled out its vaccine lottery last week and nearly three million ohio residents have won since it got underway. this 22-year-old was on her way to purchase a used car when she learned she had won $1 million.

14-year-old joseph costello who scored a full ride scholarship to an ohio state school. this initiative seems to be working but not everybody is into it. i spoke to mike dewine and asked why he is getting pushback from republicans in his state. >> some people have said it is a waste of money. my answer to that is what's a real waist, what is a tragic waste is to lose someone to covid because we now have a vaccine. and the vaccine works exceedingly well. so that's the real tragedy. this is a program that we announced a few weeks ago as we were seeing our cases spike -- excuse me, seeing the vaccinations go down, and we couldn't figure out any way to get them moving back up and i had the idea of doing this lottery. and it's worked exceedingly well. we have a lot of excitement and

we had our first winners announced. and more importantly we have seen a number of vaccinations go up. we have seen a 45% increase in vaccinations. the rural areas of the state where the uptick in vaccination has been the lowest, that's where we have seen the most increase. we have also seen -- interestingly, we're offering not just $1 million to adults, but for young people, they have the chance to win a four-year full scholarship, full side, room, board, tuition, et cetera to an ohio state university. so among 16 and 17-year-olds, we have really seen a dramatic increase in vaccinations. in fact, it's gone up 94%. >> and i saw your tweet to joseph costello of engelwood, a young student who got himself a four-year scholarship. last time we talked, we were

talking about common sense ways to deal with gun violence. we have just experienced another mass shooting in northern california. you and i talked about things like red flag laws. what do you think we do now? we seem like we have this type of conversation every time there is another mass shooting. and then it quiets down and then we have another one. what do you suggest we do? >> we have a bill in front of the legislature that we asked them to pass. i think we have a decent chance of getting it passed this year. and it does a number of different things. one thing it does is really respond to what mayors have told me and our cities across ohio and chiefs of police. and that is there is a small number of the criminal element that's committing most of the violent crime. and, you know, every week we're seeing ohio innocent victims who are dying because they have been shot and almost in every case the person who is the assailant, the perpetrator has got a

criminal record. they're not supposed to have a gun anyway, they're a repeat violent offender. so what our bill does is it gives judges the discretion to really throw the book at that person, get them out of the community if they are in a possession of a gun. that would go a long, long way to making a difference. we know it would save lives. >> governor, i was looking at a poll that came out from quinnipiac now which says that 55% of americans are looking back at january 6th saying it is an attack on democracy. 39% say too much is being made of this. almost three-quarters of republicans, 74% of republicans share the view that too much is being made of this. how do we get passed this with america? because it does seem like people are in their corners and hunkers down. >> well, you know, what we try

to do in ohio is focus on things that really matter, getting our time and moving forward. we feel we're in a good position where we're going. you know, as far as that tragedy, it's hard to watch that. you know, as you pointed out, i spent 20 years in congress. first the house and then the senate. and, you know, that was just a very sad day. very sad day. >> governor, let's talk a little bit about, as you said, the economy. we have a situation where the country is starting to open up. as you say, we're still bumping up against a high limit in terms of what, you know, people getting vaccinated. we're making inroads with projects like yours. there are other things going around the country. it does seem like a lower amount of people are firm about not getting vaccinated. but the same poll indicates it is up above 35%. down from 45% last month.

what's a number of your mind? we have a number of states that reached the 35% threshold that we think is important. what do we do about this? >> my wife and i, once we got vaccinated ourselves, we spent a lot of time going to vaccination sites. what we do there is talk to people and find out, what's motivating you? why did you come in today and not a month ago? and what we found out is, you know, it's three groups. it's people who have already got their vaccines. you have people who are never going to get it and they're just not going to get it. but you've got a group in the middle. and that's where we have to focus. that's where the game today really is, people in the middle. what we found is, you know, in a lot of cases they just didn't feel strongly about it. they weren't against it. it was just not a real sense of urgency. what i came affray and fran came away from those discussions and listening to people is that we could do things.

we could persuade people to get vaccinated. and in some cases really what we were doing and i think what we have done with this lottery is moved up the date that people get vaccinated. if you can get someone vaccinated this week as opposed to two months or three months from now, that goes a long way to knock down this virus. one less person who not only can get it but one less person who can spread it. >> yeah. i mean, the numbers are incredible. 45% increase in people being vaccinated after announcing vax-a-million. a 94% increase among teens. obviously some of the people we're also learning of the fact they should be vaccinated or can be getting vaccinated. but these numbers are undeniable. governor, thanks for being with us. well, if you are from ohio and you want to write this down, you have until midnight to sign

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they can't cancel this rally or this movement or this tour or this congressman. >> i refuse to bow to the cancel mob. >> this cancel culture has gone too far, and we have got to change that. >> if it continues, it won't just be republicans who get canceled. cancel culture will come for us all. >> the republican party loves to bark at democrats over cancel culture and being too woke. but for all the criticism, they sure do enjoy canceling anyone, including members of their own party who don't agree with them. more importantly, anyone who doesn't agree with donald trump. it was two weeks ago they ousted liz cheney from her leadership post simply because she voted to impeach trump and was outspoken at refusing to push the big lie. what about when mitt romney was booed off stage at his own state's republican convention

also for not pushing the new company line? my next guest got canceled literally. he says his conservative radio program was taken off the air due to his vocal and constant criticism of the former president. the chairman of the bravery project. he ran against trump in the 2020 primaries. he's the author of "f silence." in the book, they actually spell out the word "f." joe hosted the joe walsh show. joe, what happened to the show? >> the owner is a big trumper, ali. it is good to be with you, man. look, i'm not surprised. this isn't the first time i have lost a radio show. three and a half years ago, when i, as a conservative, came out publically against donald trump, i lost my radio show then. ali, this is the host -- by the way, i'm not a victim. the owner of the network did not

like my voice and he didn't want my voice on the radio. but this is the ironic thing, ali. i'm a conservative. you and i have had interesting policy debates over the years. think about this. i'm a conservative. there is no room in conservative radio for me. i'm a republican, a former republican because there was no room in the republican party for a conservative like me. i mean, they are the kings of cancel culture right now. >> yeah. and, look, that work is a private enterprise, so is the publisher who decided not to public josh hawley's book. i'm okay because the first amendment doesn't cover private enterprise. but you do enjoy debate. i think we kind of are in the same place on cancel culture. we think you should be able to debate things in the arena of ideas and move forward. your argument these days is certainly among trump supporters

in what's left in the republican party. that's not embraced all that much. it's toe the line or do it somewhere else. >> ali, i've said this probably 939 times. it is a cult. if you want to be viable in the republican party right now, you have to get down on your knees every day and kiss donald trump's feet. and, ali, it's the same way in conservative media. if you want to succeed on fox news or you want to succeed in conservative talk radio, sadly i found out again you have to get down on your knees every day and worship donald trump. i can't do that. i won't do that. but then that means i have no future in that medium. the sad thing, ali, is that i was the only anti-trump conservative voice in conservative talk radio. and now, as you and i talk, i mean, those people are being bombarded every day by lies and

conspiracies. no one is telling them the truth. >> yeah. you're more -- i love having you on the show, but you're more useful to them than you are necessary. in this particular world, you did tweet the other day. you said i know we're laughing at matt gaets but he would beat paul ryan in any republican primary or liz cheney or mitt romney or me. it wouldn't be close. while you're crying, laugh at that. is that a good thing or a bad thing, the idea that people like matt gaetz can win primaries. will that celebrate the demise of what the republican party has become? or is it really bad that those are the people who can win primaries? >> i think, ali, ultimately it is a good thing. the republican party is a dying national political party. the sooner it can die the better

for all of us. i mean that. it is literally the party of old white men and old white women. it is matt gaetz's party. it is the party of marjorie taylor greene. the sooner we can have something better and new come along, i think the better for the rest of the country. >> i think it's relevant to point out, though, that, joe, you were not a bleeding heart liberalist sen tryst republican. you were a right wing guy. they just happened to open six ballrooms to the right of you. >> yes. look, ali, i'm not an original never trumper. i voted for trump in 2016. i come from that world. the people who voted for him are the same people who voted for me. ali, they're the same people who listened to me on the radio before trump and loved what i had to say on the radio before trump because i am a conservative. but right now the only thing that matters is utter obeyence

in worship to donald trump. again, there is no room for anybody, any conservative in the republican party or on talk radio if you are not first and foremost an utter devotee of donald trump. >> i just talked to mike dewine. we had another mass shooting overnight in miami. as a republican, i think what we can all agree on is that there is a problem in this country. what do you think we need to look at in terms of solving this problem with gun violence? >> you know, there is common ground here, ali. between you and i, i'm a big gun guy. you and i could find common ground on this issue. the focus should be on doing whatever we can do to make sure guns stay out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them.

universal background check, standing and enforing red flag laws. those are two areas where people like and i can come together on. >> we're going to because you keep coming on my show and we keep having these conversations. they might kick you out of their platform. you are welcome on mine as always. thank you, friend. another thing conservatives are actively trying to cancel is critical race theory in tools. we mark 100 years since the tulsa race attack. joining me now is my colleague. jonathan, tulsa is exactly the example of why we shouldn't be shutting down conversations on history because successfully it has been kept out of the curriculums of most children in america, even a lot of black children don't learn about this. >> yeah. on top of it, you have the governor of oklahoma who has

beened the teaching of critical race theory, which is just jarring as we prepare to mark the 100th anniversary of the tulsa massacre. senator chris koontz is there. i have two legendary descendants that will be here talking about what we need to do and what we can do to come together and, ali, i have a column today about my interview with vice president harris. my by line at the end of the show, i will tell you about something that didn't make it into the column. how about that for a tease? >> oh. that's what you call a tease in the tv business, jonathan. as always, i look forward to that column and distributing it to all the folks who follow us here. we look forward to your show which starts at 10:00 a.m. eastern. well, can the democrats do anything to stop the republican

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investigation to prosecutors if they fail to remedy or cure a mismatched signature. this comes after a state enacted law that removes voters from a list allowing them to receive vote by mail ballots. votes like these do nothing to actually deter and restrict voting. according to new numbers, there are now more than 389 voter suppression bills introduced in 48 states. 22 of which have already been enacted. one of my next guests writes our institutions are in the hands of local activists and politicians because, in effect, it is not just one party of trump we have to deal with. it is 51 of them who promised to entrench these attacks into the fabric of our electoral politics for years if its architects succeed. joining me now is writer and editor of the msnbc daily newsletter. also joining me editor at large for the 19th.

welcome. good morning to both of you. hayes brown, i do wonder on a regular basis whether democrats are thinking about great policies that they want to enact and getting that through and somehow they are -- republicans are acting at five feet feet abd dealing with voting rights. we do not seem to be seeing democrats engaging in that fight in the same way that we saw stacey abrams and people doing it in georgia. we've seen some examples of in texas. >> yeah, i completely agree. i think that the only way to really count -- a lot of the focus is on the national level. we focus on republicans in congress, people who are around donald trump, the people who caught the most of our attention. but ever since like the obama years even, the state level has been mostly ignored by democrats. there hasn't been that build-up of state-level democrat infrastructure to counter what republicans are doing. we see the results of that in places like arizona where even though they have two democratic senators, at the local level, on

the state level they don't have the power necessary to block the sort of activities that we're seeing right now. we really need to have more ramped up democratic party in the states and we need to see more activity from local activists, local politicians to try and counter this mismatch. this imbalance. especially in the next couple of years we'll see these state governments work on redistricting, which will affect legislative districts as they did the national level. it's going to be a cascade effect. we have a little bit of time right now to get to our -- our act together, but we're behind the 8 ball. the democrats are running behind schedule if they want to counter what the republicans are up to in terms of changing voter laws and elections in this country. >> errin haynes, you are from georgia. you, like me, spend a lot of your time in pennsylvania.

and you talk and write a lot about the things that those fantastic people in georgia did, many of them women, to counter these kinds of activities. on one hand, they were fighting it legislatively and in the courts. on the other, reminding people they can't take your right to vote away so this is what you have to do to cast your ballot. but it's happening here in pennsylvania. it's happening in michigan. it's obviously happening in arizona. it's happening overnight in texas. a bill has just come out. it's happening all across this country. how do people take the example of georgia, regardless of what party you're in, and say everybody in this country who is qualified to vote should be able to vote and should have our absolute support in doing so? >> you know, ali, what we're seeing is, i think, going forward, depending on what happens at the federal level is the future of elections as being a showdown between voter suppression versus voter turnout. you have black voters, black organizers in many states that

understand that until the kind of war on election access is won, what they have to do is galvanize their people to show up and -- that was what democrats asked their voters to do in 2020. they asked them to show up, to get creative, to do whatever it takes to get to the polls. to make sure that they got elected to fight for them. that democracy was literally on the line if they did not turn out. they did that in record numbers. and that is what voters are now asking democrats to do at the federal level. and frankly, a lot of voters that i'm hearing from, democratic voters are saying they're frustrated that democrats are not getting creative and doing whatever it takes in their mind to really protect voting rights, even as republicans seem to understand, even in defeat, that they need to carry out what their voters want, which is, you know, to contain or perpetuate the myth that election integrity is something that needs to be

maintained and that these laws need to be passed at the state level and that at the federal level, any efforts to expand voter access need to be fought. >> the three of us are policy geeks. we like writing about specific policies. i imagine that we live in a world in which the best ideas are debated and won in the arena. but i'm looking at this infrastructure bill. it was $2.1 trillion in the beginning. and democrats -- republicans came back with 600 and something billion. then it wus or $500 billion, then $1.7 trillion from the white house and democrats came back with $900 billion. and they are moving toward the middle. in the end, virtually no republicans will support it and the only way to get it passed is through budget reconciliation. there are a lot of democrats who are looking to the white house and saying, why are you doing this? why do you keep showing up at the table when republicans are not negotiating in good faith and nobody is going to care if these are bipartisan or not?

>> yeah, they're doing it for, in theory, the optics. they want to look as long as they look like they are in good faith, going to the table and saying, look. republicans, here's our offer. we're going to lower it. come on, please. give us something. and i got to point out, that $928 billion from republicans, that's kind of a smoke and mirrors. it's only about 200 something million in new spending versus $1.7 trillion on the table from biden. even as they are moving closer together, there's still tricks being played. there's still little rhetorical gam buts being dashed out here. so i see them -- i see the biden white house trying to make what looks like a good-faith effort and politico reported they may be willing to go another week or two on the infrastructure talks. they need to be getting their house in order, making sure they have the 50 votes necessary to get their bill passed. we don't know if joe manchin will be on board with whatever their final result is. so a lot of this is the optics,

saying they can run on saying we tried to be bipartisan, if the republicans shut us down. and some of it is just for one or two democratic senators who want to be able to go back to their voters and say, look, we tried. this is not about liberal big spending. this is how it had to be to get anything done because the republicans cut us off. so there's multiple levels of politics going on here. i just don't know if this game of chess is going to work out the way that they want it to. >> you know, errin, filibuster is a boring word to a lot of people. budget reconciliation are two even more boring words. it's coming into sharp relief when we have these discussions and democrats who are thinking, we've got a democratic hour, democratic senate and democratic white house and democrats are having trouble getting remarkably popular bills passed. what's up with that? >> yeah, again, ali, keeping the focus on the voters. you're right. voters are not interested in words like filibuster and budget

reconciliation. and whether you are a democrat or republican, voters want results. and for the democrats who delivered a majority in the senate, who delivered a democratic president and vice president, they are wanting those people to deliver for them. they are saying we won. when do you start winning for us. when do we win in terms of governing. obviously, the pandemic relief package was something that democrats have been able to go back to their constituents and say this is what we're delivering for you. some republicans are also saying, you know, claiming some of the rewards of the american rescue plan that they didn't vote for. but, you know, democrats are now wondering, what else are we going to get for as hard as we worked to deliver a lot of these hard-won victories. maricopa county in arizona where, you know, this audit is happening. 45,000 votes. that was the margin in maricopa county that helped deliver victory to joe biden and kamala harris. so these are the folks that are

asking, what do we get for that? what -- are we going to get this voting rights bill? are we going to get police reform? are we going to get infrastructure and the kinds of things going to be necessary for this economy and this country to recover moving forward from this pandemic? and so, you know, democratic voters, i think, are much less interested in that process and kind of how the people they elected get them there. they just want to see this done. >> 45,000 votes in maricopa county. they'll keep counting those votes until joe biden didn't win by 45,000 votes. that's one of the weirdest things we've all witnessed together. it's great to see the two of you. hayes brown for the daily newsletter. errin haines is an msnbc contributor. that does it for me. thank you for watching "velshi." catch me here every saturday and sunday. enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend. "the sunday show" with jonathan capehart begins right now.

the democrats' next move after republicans reject a january 6th commission. could this be the beginning of the end for the filibuster. senator alex padilla will be here. then from tulsa, senator chris coons joins me as the country marks 100 years since the tulsa race massacre. and donald trump. he lost the election. he's in serious legal trouble. and he has complete control of the republican party. the question is, why? i'm jonathan capehart. this is "the sunday show." this sunday, after senate republicans blocked the establishment of an independent commission to investigate the deadly rampage, to which they themselves were victims, the conclusion is clear.

they are still owned by donald trump. >> this vote has made it official. donald trump's big lie has now fully enveloped the republican party. trump's big lie is now the defining principle of what was once the party of lincoln. shame on the republican party for trying to sweep the horrors of that day under the rug because they're afraid of donald trump. >> only six republicans voted with the democrats in a move that has all eyes turning to the filibuster. the legislative procedure that allows the minority party to obstruct virtually any legislation it wants. which means president biden's agenda from infrastructure and jobs to police reform and voting rights hangs in the balance. joining me now is senator alex padilla of california. senator padilla, welcome back to "the sunday show." >> good to see you again, jonathan. >> so could you just please talk about or exp